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Not Religious Rights but Human Right .... Contraception and Insurance

Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:44 AM EST

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By Lincoln Smith

This issue is not about religious rights, It is Human Rights
The Roman Catholic Bishops are still angry about Department of Health contraception policy as it relates to insurance coverage.
My feeling on this matter is if a religious affiliated institution such as hospitals and schools employs from the public it is immoral to impose their religious doctrines on other people who do not share their religious doctrines.Religions should not be rigid, all these rules that are imposed are Man made. The only thing God commands us to do is to Love each other and help those who are in need.
Let us widen what can be covered: Say for example the religious doctrines is against prescription drugs or blood transfusions should that religious institution then say to their employee who do not share their doctrines sorry we will not cover any type of surgery since it calls for blood transfusion? or cover your prescription drugs?
I am thankful for what the Catholic Church or other Religious Institutions do for the public and hope they continue to do so.
By the way the GOP is bent on protecting religious rights and not to impose "Government" on the freedom of people. Oh the hypocrisy...does that mean only the Catholic Church or Christian Religion...What about Sharia Law in the Muslim Religion are the GOP for this now.

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Lola-984242

Yes, hypocrisy at it finest! I am not catholic nor am I affiliated with any religion, therefore if I am employed by a catholic run organization I should have the ability to receive birth control coverage if needed to prevent birth or other medical needs. I am sick and tired of these so-called "christians" imposing their religious beliefs on me and my family.

Go right ahead and teach your flock that preventing birth is wrong, but from what I understand God gave us free will so if you're doing a good job teaching your flock to be against preventing birth they'll do as they're told. Get over it and focus at prosecuting those in your religious organization who've molested children.

8 votes

#1 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:33 AM EST

Mike-1499840

Not Religious Rights but Human Right .... Contraception and Insurance

Yet another example of Liberal/Irrational thinking. NOTHING that someone else has to pay for is a "right." By declaring it to be so, enslaves another person and violates his rights. Coulter had it right. Liberalism is indeed a mental disorder. Insurance is not a right and neither is medical contraception. Both are commodities. Hope this helps you understand.

Regards,

Mike

5 votes

#2 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:54 AM EST

BAD1V

More of the hypocrisy from the Far Right Wing. Do you use streets, Highway, Police, Fire Services and every other public service the Government provides. That is all part of the Great Society. We are taxed for the betterment of each other. I am so tried of the selfishness of the Far Right Wing.

4 votes

#2.1 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:26 AM EST

Mike-1499840

I am so tired of the left wing equating public services at the State and Local levels, with outrght theft and redistribution at the Federal level. That shows either a lack of understanding of how our government works, a childlike/femininine (emotional) thought process or criminal intent. Take your choice.

In any case, get your facts right. There are certain enumerated powers of the Federal government, directing the content of a private contract is not among them. Facts are stubborn things.

and Sally, before you again get on your high horse...there are NUMEROUS studies tying emotional thought process to children and the feminine gender. You can agree or disagree....but me saying so, doesn't make the comment, "sexist." BTW, I am still waiting for your retraction and apology.

Regards,

Mike

4 votes

#2.2 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:43 AM EST

Lola-984242

but me saying so, doesn't make the comment, "sexist."

Oh it certainly does, you saying it doesn't does not make it so. Good luck with that.

It also looks to me like the person who's accusing others that believe differently of "either having a lack of understanding of how our government works, a childlike/femininine (emotional) thought process or criminal intent", is projecting and does have beliefs based on sexism. I feel sorry for the women in his life.

5 votes

#2.3 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:51 AM EST

Mike-1499840

Lola,

Thank you for proving my point. Believing that welfare paid for by the Federal government is the same as Police services paid for by state and local funds are the same, DOES in fact show one of those three things I stated. There are no other choices. sorry...there may be a fourth choice...a combination of the 3.

Just because you don't agree with a comment, doesn't make it sexist, racist or any other "ist," for that matter.

Regards,

Mike

2 votes

#2.4 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:06 PM EST

BAD1V

Mike-1499840

I am so tired of the left wing equating public services at the State and Local levels, with outrght theft and redistribution at the Federal level. That shows either a lack of understanding of how our government works, a childlike/femininine (emotional) thought process or criminal intent. Take your choice.

Such an angry response to be wrong. Just were do you think your Federal gasoline tax goes? Let me tell you Highway maintenance and construction.

2 votes

#2.5 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:06 PM EST

SCTexan

Just were do you think your Federal gasoline tax goes?

And that is the way it should be, the USERs pay for it. Should people who do not use the service pay for it? Not directly, but they do pay a higher price for a product or service which uses it.

3 votes

#2.6 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:28 PM EST

Mike-1499840

Bad,

Not angry at all...The Federal taxes that go for FEDERAL highways and bridges are just fine....I agree with SC texan...user fees are great...you use...you pay. That has absolutely nothing to do with the outright theft, called Welfare and Medicaid. Let me make this clear for you, since you appear to be having difficulty understanding some of this.

Police, Fire & Education are State/Local issues that should be paid for via State/Local funding mechanisms. None of which is relevant to the discussion as to whether the federal government has or should have the right to determine the content of a private contract...which is what insurance is. The ONLY play the federal government MAY have in that, is the enforcement of said contract if not enforceable by the states individually. Hope that cleared this up for you.

Regards,

Mike

3 votes

#2.7 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:42 PM EST

Lola-984242

How's that proving your point Mike? All I was doing is pointing out your projection. Sorry if the truth hurts bud.

And equally equating childlike (emotions) to feminine (emotions) to thought processes IS most definitely sexist.

2 votes

#2.8 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:25 PM EST

Mike-1499840

Lola...sorry....You're wrong...bandying about "sexist," "racist," or any other"-ist," doesn't make you any more right. Actually, it proves my point on emotional thinking. Have a good day.

Regards,

Mike

1 vote

#2.9 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:15 AM EST

Lola-984242

Not showing any emotion here, just pointing out your projection. You on the other hand are showing hate and anger towards others who believe differently than yourself. What's ironic is all your post are proving my point. LOL

Good day.

2 votes

#2.10 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:00 AM EST

Mike-1499840

Hi Lola,

No Ma'am...no hate or anger here. But I must point out your typical liberal response to inconvenient facts....that is...to call names and and to deflect the conversation to a place other than the one at hand....which is pretty much an emotional, not a fact based analytical response...thus proving my point. Have a great day!

Regards,

Mike

1 vote

#2.11 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:37 PM EST

Lola-984242

LOL! Hardly.

((Hugs)) Anyway.

#2.12 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:26 PM EST

newsblog903

Not Religious Rights but Human Rights

Ha, religious rights and human rights have not been partners since Jesus.

Now it's religious rights and monetary rights!

3 votes

#3 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:07 PM EST

Borncorn

My wife is a Catholic who works at a Methodist Hospital. She is kind of confused by the Bishops to say the least.

#4 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:41 PM EST

lastone

This isn't the catholic church denying people access to BC or things like that. They don't have nuns stationed behind the counters of pharmacies with rulers ready to slap the hands of would be buyers of condoms or prescriptions. People should count themselves lucky to work for an organization that provides any type of medical coverage. they are free to decline it and ask for salary compensation to purchase a plan of their own. or buy suplimentary coverage or pay for it out of pocket. What business is it of the governments to say, "i see you provide benefits for your employees, but now YOU MUST INCLUDE THIS INTO THOSE BENEFITS OR FACE OUR WRATH"

1 vote

#5 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:17 PM EST

Borncorn

What business is it of the governments to say, "i see you provide benefits for your employees, but now YOU MUST INCLUDE THIS INTO THOSE BENEFITS OR FACE OUR WRATH"

The Government is we the people. And we have all the right in the world to demand this. And it should be noted that 28 State governments already require contraceptive coverage in insurance plans.

1 vote

#6 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:43 PM EST

DocPhil

If this issue had to do with the government telling people that they had to report to a medical center and be given an oral contraceptive, the church and every other American would have a perfectly rational reason to vehemently oppose that demand as both a violation of religious and human rights. This is not the case. No one is forced to use contraceptives of any kind. There is no violation of religious rights here.

The government is exercising their obligation to ensure the good and welfare of the citizenry through this directive. They are doing this through the ACA. They are citing the commerce clause under Article 8 of the constitution as justification. In fact, over 65% of Americans agree with the administration on this issue.

3 votes

#7 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:02 PM EST

SCTexan

Something to think about:

Sex for purposes other than reproduction is simple recreation, should the government dictate that an insurance company pay for my bicycle helmet, after all it will prevent some damage in case of an accident.....

Birth control pills start at $20 a month, based on what women tell me, other forms of birth control are even less, those who can't afford the $20 can get them from Planned Parenthood, and other sources, for free...........

If a woman's doctor prescribes them for some of the other issues that a small percentage of women have that the pills help with, then limit the coverage to just that type of pill, not the other more controversial items on the list.

2 votes

#8 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:10 AM EST

Mike-1499840

Tex,

This has never been about reproductive rights. It has been from the beginning, an incremental move towards more Federal control of individuals and businesses. The bottom line...the Federal government's interference in this/these private contract/s is immorral and unconstitutional... What needs to happen is the insurance companies need to refuse to comply. Businesses need to quit providing insurance. Bring the Federal government to heel. Just because moochers get a majority and vote to steal from the makers, doesn't make it leagl...or right.

1 vote

#8.1 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:20 AM EST

Luther28

Perhaps a simple solution to what should have been a non issue. Make available two forms of insurance to employees, one that covers contraception and one that does not. It allows all what our Country was founded upon, a freedom of choice and both the needs of the churches and the needs of humanity are met. Another non issue turned into a political and religious football.

#9 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:17 PM EST

Beebobby

I find it telling that this only became an issue after it became part of the AHCA. A political talking point, nothing else. I would think that the GOTP would find it offensive that the foreign leader of a religious cult (the pope) would be injecting his beliefs into a decision about American health care.

1 vote

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